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Gypsio III
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Posted - 2010.01.27 09:05:00 -
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Faction frigate balance is really screwed up tbh. Compare the Daredevil and Dramiel with trash like the Hookbill and Worm... 
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Gypsio III
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Posted - 2010.01.28 15:24:00 -
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I show roflkets doing just over 50% damage to an ABing Dramiel (overloaded B-type AB), even when it's dual-webbed, while the Dramiel dictates range and transversal. If the Hookbill drops one web so it can go dual-prop also, then it's about 33% damage.
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Gypsio III
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Posted - 2010.01.28 15:46:00 -
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Hookbill does 93 EM DPS overloaded, without damage mods (which you don't have CPU or slots to fit, given that you need a MAPC). Call it 46 DPS after 50% loss to speed. Well, at least that's enough to beat the MSE Dramiel's peak passive regen, but, given that the Dramiel has basically the same EHP as a comparably-fit Hookbill and can dictate range and transversal to apply ~100% of its ~200 DPS (most of which hits Hookbill's weakest resist), I don't see this ending in anything other than a Hookblol wreck.
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Gypsio III
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Posted - 2010.01.28 15:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Only that dram cannot dictate range vs dualweb hookbill, and not even vs sinlge web when if its standard dualprop fit.
Now im thinking about web + td + crash, but im still not sure /and yes, it doesnt fit lol/.
I assumed that Hookbill had MWD, scram, dual web - with this, the dual-prop Dramiel will dictate range. If Hookbill has AB instead of MWD, then Hookbill can indeed dictate range.
If you give Hookbill dual-prop like the Dramiel, then it can also dictate range, but with only a single web the Dramiel will only take about 33% damage.
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Gypsio III
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Posted - 2010.01.29 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kimura Masahiko
Wow stop whining, the answer was posted right at the start; Daredevils or Cruors toast Dramiels 1vs1. Just because you fail repeatedly at trying to kill them does not mean they are unkillable.
It's not whether they're killable or not, you fool. It's whether there's a reason to fly other frigates. Why the hell would you fly a Worm, or a Hookbill, or any interceptor, when you can just fly a Dramiel or Daredevil?
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Gypsio III
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Posted - 2010.01.30 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
Worm is a super durable frig tackler.
Come off it. The Dramiel is unquestionably superior as a tackler to the Worm, and more durable to boot because it's twice as fast. What's the Worm's role? Being an expensive Ishkur?
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Gypsio III
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Posted - 2010.01.30 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
@ worm comment - 14k buffer is 2x the tank of dram - with gang bonuses its pretty nice - even if slow (still faster than cruisers with mwd). I came off as saying it was good at catching frigs - I meant it was a good tackler in that it catches bigger ships and survives long enough for your gang to finish the job.
Interceptors do this better, and Dramiel does this better than interceptors.
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Gypsio III
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Posted - 2010.01.31 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aurora IV
The only way a Dramiel can kill you:
-You don't have both Caldari Frigate and Signal Suppression to V
-Dramiel pilot has Jackal Implants
-A pilot that fits ECCM mods
-Dramiel pilot remembers to bring Warriors
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Gypsio III
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Posted - 2010.02.02 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Gypsio III on 02/02/2010 12:04:33
ITT: People who don't realise this is about frigate balance, not counters per se.
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Gypsio III
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Posted - 2010.02.05 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Worm will be godly when/if CCP gets around to buffing rockets, start stockpiling them now 
It's got two range-bonused missile slots. Rockets are going to have to be ridiculously boosted for it to be anything other than an expensive Ishkur. The Worm doesn't even have a drone damage bonus. The Dramiel gets 60% of its drone DPS and the equivalent of four turrets, each with superior weaponry while being twice as fast.
The sort of rocket boost necessary to balance the Worm with the Dramiel or Daredevil would probably result in hilarious 400 DPS Kestrels. 
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